Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 23:56:21 -0500
To: orgonomy@jefferson.village.virginia.edu
From: "true paranoia (reads)" <orgone@shore.net>
Subject: Re: Carl Sagan detects orgone in crop circles
Sender: owner-orgonomy@jefferson.village.virginia.edu


>Just testing the new set-up. Thanks, Shawn for setting up the new server.
>
>While I'm at it, today's (12/3/95) issue of Parade Magazine (that filler in 
>everybody's Sunday paper) carries a debunking by Carl Sagan: "Crop Circles & 
>Aliens: What's the Evidence?" 
>

              Wanted to read the article before I said anything.

        I remember reading somewhere that Parade Magazine is a nation wide
supplement added to very many Sunday "news"papers and is rumored to be just
another disinformation/propaganda organ connected in some way to
"Capitalisms Invisible Army", aka the CIA. (my respects to R.  Buckminister
Fuller).
        Sagan is way off base here, as usual, but he has to write somewhere.
He wouldn't be able to sell this drivel to the zines that that have some
integrity. Conspiracy Nation, Flatland, Steam Shovel Press etc. I bet
Penthouse wouldn't even touch it. 
        I don't think he singled out Orgonomy in any way. Sagan just lumped
it in with "ghosts, the KnightsTemplar of Malta, New Age, and cerealogical
organizations, implying that orgone energy is just as fake as Carl and his
leaps of logic. Anybody got cerealogical in their dictionary? Insectoid?
        He gets a little careless when he says "There are so many artificial
satellites up there that they're always making garish displays somewhere in
the world." Not in my sky bubba, and I watch it pretty close, but then again
I've never seen a UFO before either. A lot of very credible people did
however in the fifties and mid to late forties when, alas, there were no
satellites or "nose cones and rocket boosters" at least no artificial ones
made by terrestrials before Sputnick in 1957, or so I've been told.
         Or did Sagan give something away here? Where there some devices
defying "known" laws up there that we weren't told about? I see where the
Germans were working on something with Victor Schauberger that had UFO
characteristics and lots of those scientists came to the United States after
the war. Victor himself was brought over to be guest of the Feds during the
summer of 58. He's quoted as saying "They took everything from me,
everything. I don't even own myself." Probably just jet lag. I even saw a
recently declassified (they said) paper on "Electro-Gravitics" prepared by
Gravity Research Group, LONDON S.W. 7 England, February 1956 from Wright
Patterson Air Force Base. Wasn't Nikola Tesla working on something along
those lines? Whoops, NATIONAL SECURITY! 
        Carl Sagan does hit the nail on the head however when he says "the
tools of skepticism are generally unavailable to the citizens of our
society. They're hardly ever mentioned in the schools, even in the
presentation of science--". Gasp! Is Sagan admitting the obvious, what the
"Buffs" have been saying all along. What was that movie? Hornswoggled,
hoodwinked, had.
       Anyway, I believe that the Universe is alive and there are beings and
growth everywhere. I don't necessarily believe that their are
extraterrestrials flying around the earth. That there have been thousands of
appearances of unidentified flying objects seems unquestionable given the
reports. Again I've never seen one. Probably because of that I'm inclined to
believe that the UFO's are part of the secret "fun and games" section of the
national security apparatuses of the worlds capable governments and, like
the dirigibles that made their appearance in the sky long before they were
written up in the news, the UFO's are of terrestrial origin. Since they are
top secret it's up to people like Sagan to ridicule any serious inquiry into
their nature. Parade gets him nation wide exposure. Shame on you Carl Sagan. 




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