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Subject: Re: Cloud Busting and response - Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:54:35
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:54:35 -0500
From: pore@mainelink.net
Message-Id: <199603080634.BAA29388@mainelink.net>
Subject: Re: Cloud Busting and response
To: orgonomy@jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
Sender: owner-orgonomy@jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
OML
I began my last post with
"The below I have included to demonstrate to the dangers of cloudbusting as
discussed during the below Student Discussion with Eva Reich and Bill Moise
(15FEB1975)."
I apologize for the use of the word demonstrate. When I used the word
demonstrate, I had no intention to purport that what I shared though
posting the discussion extract was in any way proof that cloudbusting is
dangerous. If there is no proof accepted that they even work then I can not
prove that they are dangerous. I posted the student discussion because we
were writing on oml about dangers of cloudbuster work by itself. During
the past few days some of the discussion was getting away from personal
attacks on each other. I thought that what Eva Reich and Bill Moise had
said in that part of the discussion might be helpful in continuing a
discussion about dangers involved with cloudbusting. I still hope it did.
Jim Martin I thank you for your response and views. I may not agree with
them all but I did read them and reflect on them. You are correct that I
didn't mention the cloud seeding going on during DeMeo's OROP Israel. He
does state in Pulse of the Planet 4 pg 96 "....However, I do not wish to
paint a completely rosy face on these weather changes. In other areas, such
Egypt, Turkey, and Lebanon, greater difficulties were experienced from the
winter storms. There was additionally, a complicating factor in the
analysis of these strong storms: a very ambitious Israeli government
cloudseeding program, employing seeding aircraft...dozen ground based
seeding generators, was constantly underway during every single storm
cycle, even during the heaviest of downpours and flooding.......ended in
late February........While the cloudseeding was not a factor in bring about
an end to the draught in the Middle East (they were seeding also during
drought years), it did appear to contribute to the flooding problems, once
the the cloudbusting had eliminated the energetic barrier to the
Mediterranean storms. ..."
I agree that we can't prove which operation did what. One can not prove
that either seeding or cloudbusting helped make the floods etc. It appears
that the cb opened the storm barrier and that the seeding may have squeezed
more rain out of the clouds.
The concern here as in any cb work is that; all these operations need to be
considered when conducting cb work. Any person working with a cloudbuster
may have other factors affecting the operation that may amplify their work
unknown to them. There could be another cb operator nearby unknown to the
other conducting an cb operation that could amplify in a positive or
negative way the other cb operation or vise versa. Cloudseeding could
affect a cb operation as well. The dangers and responsibilities become very
high and impossible to control due to other unknown factors such as these
mentioned.
In the student discussion I posted it was mentioned by Eva or Bill that a
cloudbuster can affect an area over 800 miles away. How many cloudbuster
operators are working within the 800 miles or more that are unknown to each
other and are affecting each other cb operation when they may per chance be
operating during the same days or week.
When I say use a mini dor buster for study I do not mean to try it on
weather or people. I meant pure research. For example one could build
orgone field meters to measures changes that may be detected by changing
lengths of the extended pipes. Test changes in field while changing to
different water sources. Test magnetic, static, electroscope etc. Use many
other instruments other variables that come to mind while testing the mini
dorbuster. Test the dor buster under as many under different conditions as
are practible. This could be done under controlled lab type setting. But of
course be aware that electricity may have adverse affects if it is done in
an electrically wired building. It is this type of investigating with the
mini dor buster that I am encouraging rather than cloudbusting which has so
many uncontrolled factors.
Sincerely JOGG
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