Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:14:49 -0500
From: "Shawn P. Wilbur" <swilbur@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>
Message-Id: <Pine.3.07.9603111027.A7214-c100000@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Accountability
To: orgonomy@jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
Sender: owner-orgonomy@jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU

Mr. Battaglia,

By all means, let's return to the bare facts. Perhaps, since you seem to
be finding more facts in Carlinksy's original post than some of the rest
of us, you could help us determine just what the issues/charges are. It's
hard to respond to your own lament that we are 'off track' when there is
no clear track that i can see - or, rather, there seem to be plenty of
tracks, but few of them leading from facts in the Carlinsky post.

It's clear to me that there are several accusations in the Carlinsky post.

The one which we have dealt with most seriously here involves loss of life
allegedly resulting from OROP Israel. But isn't it the case that the only
evidence to support the accusations has been derived from DeMeo's own
reports, rather than anything Carlinsky said? And isn't even this
"evidence" now the center the threads on accountability and causation? The
facts are coming in slowly, it seems, with the Israeli's intensive
cloudseeding being the most recent addition - one which seems to me to
raise very strongly the issue of responsibility in speech which the
passage you quoted from Reich brought into such high relief.

So what aren't we dealing with?

There was also the claim that unidentified "endangered species" were
killed by cloudbusting operations. As "evidence" there was a second-hand
account involving increased mortality in young birds resulting from
"pneumonia." I checked with a US Fish & Wildlife biologist, veteran of 15
years of endangered species work on the west coast, and he could make
sense of the account. Given the organization of USF&W, and the network
surrounding endangered species research, it seems likely any significant
loss of birds would have been well-known to him. Some details, such as the
species involved, would certainly help us evaluate this claim. 

Much was also made of the fragility of desert ecosystems, but i thought
that DeMeo addressed this rather thoroughly in his response. And his
response squared with my knowledge of other ecosystems that face extreme
weather variations, such as those in alpine zones. A jeep track or a boot
sole seem much more likely to do serious, permanent damage than weather
fluxuations. People are the ones who are poorly adapted to extremes -
witness the tendency of west coasters (i'm a displaced one myself) to
build in the place most likely to be washed away or shaken down. (I recall
a house that was rebuilt three times *in the same place* in something like
12 years, each time after it had been washed away by the normal floods of
the region (southern California.)

Others? Oh, there was the elaborate, but unsubstatiated description of
transatlantic ecological dependencies based on blowing dust. Can anyone
find us a footnote or two on this? Recall that DeMeo does address this
question in his Response. I don't have enough info yet to even begin to
address this one...

-shawn




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