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ORGONOMY INFO IN NEWSGROUPS
(keywords = orgon, orgone, orgonomy, wr, cloudbusting)
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(Editor note: The messages and items found in this search include negative and positive statements towards orgonomy. Some negative statements demonstrate the one sided and mechanistic view by individuals. Some other statements are broadcasted one liners by those who have never investigated what they have chosen to judge negatively. These negative and unsubstantiated statements are part of what Wilhelm Reich would consider as "the emotional plague of mankind". Some however are just orgonomy information or exchange. We post what we find in the searches. We leave it up to the reader to form their own opinions concerning what we found on the news groups.)
"If one wishes to combat the plague one must expose oneself
to it."
Wilhelm Reich, People In Trouble, pg. 187
Most recent item is listed last. Long items occasionally edited to show only text related to - orgone.
Question: I read with interest your previous column regarding why it rains after watering the lawn. You ascribe the problem to changes in Orgone energy caused by the hose. It so happens that I am an amateur astronomer, and have noticed that it gets cloudy and frequently rains when I take out my telescope. Friends who are also amateur astronomers have noticed the same thing. Could our telescopes be causing this? It does seem that the more telescopes together in one place, the more clouds appear. And, that clouds appear wherever we point the telescopes.
Answer: Yes. In fact, telescopes do cause rain for precisely the reason you state. A ``cloud buster'' as developed by the great psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich, is constructed from a hollow tube. The tube is used to influence the concentration and flow of Orgone energy, the \'elan vital that permeates the Universe. My ongoing class-action suit against the Orgone Institute limits how much I can say, but I can tell you that the situation for amateur astronomers is more grave then for those who are simply watering their lawn, or washing their car. The primary mirror of the popular Newtonian telescope acts as an Orgone energy resonator which concentrates extremely high levels of Orgone energy over observation sites. The larger the mirror, the greater the concentration. Likewise, the more mirrors the greater the concentration.
My studies of Orgone energy and the techniques of cloud busting has lead me to believe that Newtonian telescopes trigger a Orgonic interferometry effect. This allows two 6 inch mirrors on either side of a field to act as a single cloud buster of gargantuan proportions. This is the basis of my suit against the Orgone institute, whose own studies hint at this effect, and which I believe is responsible for the great mid-western floods of 1993 (my lawyer has vetted this remark). I am greatly concerned that hurricane Andrew was a direct result of the Orgone energy concentration created by the Winter Star Party, and that our current dry spell in the northeast is due to the Hubble Space Telescope.
I have been in consultation with telescope manufacturers, however, and can assure you that they are taking this problem seriously. Several innovative designs have been proposed and I think your problem would go away if you were to purchase a catadioptric telescope such as a Schmidt-Cassigrain, or maybe a long focal length refractor. These telescopes greatly reduce the concentration of Orgone energy overhead by collecting it in the objective of the telescope. Heavy dewing may result, but that is a minor problem. Finally, be sure to paint the telescope bright white to help dissipate the Orgone energy safely, and wrap the eye-piece in aluminum foil for your own safety.
Q: Ok, so then who is the Mighty Quinne?
A: I'm sorry, but my lawyers will not allow me to answer that question.
-David Quinne
As you know, I am very skeptical of claims that UFOs are real. I feel that evidence showing that UFOs are real is sorely lacking, and it surprises me how fervently people will believe in cases that have little substance. When I heard Stanton Friedman speak, I was quite surprised that he considered the Barney and Betty Hill case part of the proof that UFOs are real and we are being visited by alien spacecraft on a regular basis. To me, believing that Barney and Betty's abduction was a real event seems to rely more on wishful thinking than on anything of substance.
Does it matter if people believe in UFOs even though they are not real? Yes, it does. Devoting one's life to a fictitious belief is a terrible and unproductive waste of time and energy. There are so many interesting and exciting things in the real world and our time here is limited.
Being overly credulous may hide some real and unrecognized phenomena from view, or at least delay its recognition. Scientists tend to be reluctant to devote time and energy pursuing claims or ideas that seem farfetched or unlikely to be true. Much of this attitude is probably due to the large number and wide range of unusual claims and the overly credulous attitude of many people making such claims. It is likely that some real and interested phenomena may be buried in the noise.
A good example is a recent discovery about lightning. Lightning has been studied for about two centuries, and scientists felt that it was fairly well understood. Recently and unexpectedly a whole new class of lightning was discovered. Flashing upward from thunderheads are two new types of lightning---red sprites and blue jets. The red sprites, which may be pink or red, are many miles wide and rise to heights of 60 miles. Blue jets are cone shaped with their apex atop the clouds. They extend to heights of about 20 miles. While red sprites appear all at once, the blue jets move upward from the cloud tops.
The new class of lightning was first photographed by accident in 1989 when a retired physicist, Dr. John R. Winckler, was helping a friend try out a new low light video camera. A check of videos of thunderstorms taken by the space shuttles revealed more examples of this new and strange lightning. Soon searches for the phenomena were easily succeeding and it is now being widely investigated.
These forms of lightning eluded science because they are not as obvious as common lightning. They are rarer, fainter, and faster than normal lightning. They were, however, reported before they were recognized as something real. Airline pilots had sometimes seen them, and the May, 1995, issue of Sky & Telescope contains a letter from Stuart L. Becher. He writes that he is personally gratified that the sprite phenomena has at last been recognized as real, and then relates witnessing them twenty-five years ago when he was serving in Vietnam. Although he reported his observations to physicists and atmospheric scientists, most were indifferent.
People who are interested in anomalous phenomena claim scientists should take such phenomena more seriously, and should not be indifferent to reports such as that of Mr. Becher. Such reports might be taken more seriously if people interested in unusual phenomena would take science more seriously and become more critical. The perception that they will believe almost anything hurts their credibility, makes it unlikely they will be taken seriously, and may well slow the recognition of new and unrecognized phenomena.
Your comments, thoughts, or questions about this or other UFO topics are most welcome. Please address e-mail to 72724.2270@compuserve.c om or phone me at 374-8460.
-Alan French
This past April the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute student union hosted its third UFO symposium entitled: The 1st Symposium on Anomalous Phenomena. Last month I wrote about John Burke's talk on ``Crop Circle Phenomena.'' This month I'm writing about Kevin Randle's talk: ``UFO crash at Roswell.''
Kevin Randle is co-author with Donald Schmitt of two books about Roswell: UFO Crash at Roswell and The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell. The former book was the basis for the Showtime movie Roswell. For those unfamiliar with the Roswell story, it is alleged by Randle and Schmitt that an extra-terrestrial space craft crashed outside of Roswell New Mexico on July 4, 1947. According to Randle, there was one space ship with bodies of 4 or 5 aliens recovered. The number of space ships and bodies (or live) aliens recovered is important, since there are at least 3 competing versions of the crash written by three different sets of authors.
Randle started his talk by outlining the Roswell theory he and Schmitt endorse. As stated above, this is a single crash with four recovered aliens. The reason to emphasis single is that there are some discrepancies regarding the location of the crash site. Randle and Schmitt believe that the UFO was damaged over the Brazil ranch, and crashed at another site. Mac Brazil is the rancher who first reported finding bits and pieces of what the Army Air Force at first called a flying saucer, and later called a weather balloon. This is all very well documented. That is, Mac did find pieces of something, and the Army did call it a flying saucer---there are even newspaper headlines. These subsequently turned out to be pieces of a weather balloon, or did they?
The story as given lay dormant for 40 years. There were spurious reports of recovered flying saucers, but UFOlogist did not take them seriously until the late 1980's when the Roswell case was re-opened. Since then at least 4 books appeared, as well as the Showtime movie, and a novel by Whitney Strieber called Majestic. The title Majestic is a reference to a set of documents called ``MJ12'' recovered by UFOlogists and declared authentic by Stanton Friedman. They are claimed to be a directive by then President Truman forming a committee of scientists to study the craft. The problem is, the ``MJ12'' documents are almost certainly forged (see Philip Klass's many articles in Skeptical Inquirer), and no other paper trail has been uncovered. Randle and Schmitt do not believe MJ12, and their second book details the reasons why.
Randle, in fact, was skeptical of may claims regarding UFOs and crashed saucers---an attitude that is almost heretical. (It is also an attitude that was refreshing after a weekend of anomalous phenomena talks.) He wants to limit himself to the facts, which in his case are largely the interviews he and Schmitt conducted of witnesses to the event. Randle read from and played selected recordings of these interviews. I found them to be the most interesting portion of the talk, and I think they represent an impressive oral history of the Roswell event---regardless of that event might have been. But, what I found most interesting about them is that even in these hand selected excerpts I heard what sounded like leading questions.
A ``leading question'' is a question that supplies information to the person being questioned. For example, a question that asks: ``where was the crash'''' is different from ``how far from town was the crash?''. The second question implies---leads the witness to conclude---that the crash was far from town. Even the second question is preferable to: ``30-40 miles outside of town?'' which is what Schmitt asked in response to a comment by Jim Ragsdale, one of the witnesses.
The extent of this type of questioning is important to know, because part of the claim for Roswell is the number of people whose testimony is consistent. But, this consistency is impressive only if they are independent witnesses. Living in the same town for 40 years is not (in my opinion) independent, and if the interviews really did consist of leading questions the case for Roswell is even weaker. Note, I'm not saying that this happened, I'm saying it sounded like it happened in the clips I listened to. Mr Ragsdale could have volunteered the distance estimate on his own earlier in the interview.
Similar leading questions were asked of Mac Brazil's son. He had collected his own wreckage of the UFO/Balloon, which an Army officer took from him. Schmitt repeatedly asked him about the properties of the material, how hard it was, and so on, even suggesting the term ``fiber optics.'' Brazil, however, stuck to his claims it was like ``balsa wood wrapped in aluminum'' and ``mono-filament fishing line.'' The only anomalous item mentioned was that light shined on one end of the ``fishing line'' came out the other. Given the overall tone of the interview, and that this is a 40 year old memory from a childhood event, I was not too impressed by what Mr. Brazil had to say.
Randle also spent time dismissing Mac Brazil's own claim that he found the wreckage on his ranch in mid-June. This is important for Randle and Schmitt's claim, since they believe the UFO crashed in early July. Brazil gave this mid-June date from the very beginning. Randle claims this was at the Army Air-Force's insistence as part of the weather balloon cover up. Maybe, but then maybe not. True, a rancher might not have left balloon material were cattle could eat it. But, Mac said he was checking the area to see if it was suitable for cattle. Maybe he decided it wasn't. Who can say, it happened 40 years ago.
Most surprising was Randle's investigations of the Air Forces report on Roswell. If you're not familiar with this, the General Accounting Office was asked to look into the Roswell by New Mexico representative Steven Schiff. The Air Force beat them to the finish line with a report endorsing Project Mongol as the source of the balloon. This was an experiment to use high altitude balloons to detect a Soviet atomic bomb blast, which was top secret at the time. Randle found evidence eliminating one of the two possible Mongol balloons, has found that the ``winds aloft'' data from the time should have sent the balloon in the opposite direction, and so on.
If you ever have a chance to see Randle talk I suggest going. He is a good speaker, he does know his material, and he is to date the most skeptical pro-UFO speaker I've seen. I asked him afterwards what would convince him that the Roswell event was not a crashed UFO. He said something that would account for the memories, and especially the memories of being threatened by the Army Air Force officers. He believes it was something big---not Mongol, and that the Air Force is still covering up. It might not be a crashed UFO, but that's what he believes it to have been.
Me, I'm not too sure. For one thing, the complete lack of a paper trail after (now) 50 years is too much to believe. And, that's a lot of time for townspeople to confuse a miss-identified crashed saucer and other events. Were they threatened? Or were they asked not to speak of it, and this grew into memories of threats? Instead, I'll wait for the General Accounting Office report, read Randle's books, and watch how the story shapes up over the next 50 years.
-Michael Sofka
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1995/07/03
Subject: Wilhelm Reich ?
From: 100632.3457@compuserve.com
(Frank Bauer)
Date: 1995/07/03
Message-Id: <3t8g8v$i87@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.theory
... anyone interested in discussions about _Wilhelm Reich_,
his life,
work and philosophy or related subjects ? Are there other newsgroups
where this request would be better posted ?
>>> Frank <<<
>>>>>> Frank Bauer <<<<<<
100632.3457@compuserve.com
>I still dream of Orgonon<
Date: 1995/07/04
Subject: Re: Wilhelm Reich ?
From: voigt@rrz.uni-hamburg.de
(Andreas Voigt)
Date: 1995/07/04
Message-Id: <3tbp3f$fg4@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
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Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany
Reply-To: voigt@rrz.uni-Hamburg.de
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.theory
100632.3457@compuserve.com (Frank Bauer) wrote:
>... anyone interested in discussions about _Wilhelm Reich_, his life,
>work and philosophy or related subjects ?
take a look at
http://www.mainelink.net/~jogg/
lots of material on Reich there.
>I still dream of Orgonon
hmmmm. Uncertain about that...
Cheers,
Andreas
Date: 1995/07/04
Subject: Re: Wilhelm Reich ?
From: e_p@unlinfo.unl.edu
(Ed Pearlstein)
Date: 1995/07/04
Message-Id: <3tbgb6$2lq@crcnis3.unl.edu>
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology.theory
100632.3457@compuserve.com (Frank Bauer) writes:
>... anyone interested in discussions about _Wilhelm Reich_, his life,
>work and philosophy or related subjects ? Are there other newsgroups
>where this request would be better posted ?
Yes. sci.skeptic
Date: 1995/07/05
Subject: Re: Wilhelm Reich ?
From: 100632.3457@compuserve.com
(Frank Bauer)
Date: 1995/07/05
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>http://www.mainelink.net/~jogg/
Thanks for this - exactly what I was looking for ...
>>I still dream of Orgonon
>hmmmm. Uncertain about that...
... it's just a quote from the famous Kate Bush song 'Cloudbusting'
where( in the video) the actor Donald Sutherland plays the role of
Reich and Kate Bush is his son Peter Reich ...
by the way - what is your opinion to the 'Reich-Subject'. How come
that you know this 'mainelink' web-site ???
Regard
>>> Frank <<<
>>>>>> Frank Bauer <<<<<<
100632.3457@compuserve.com
>I still dream of Orgonon<
Date: 1995/07/06
Subject: Re:
Wilhelm Reich ?
From: voigt@rrz.uni-hamburg.de
(Andreas Voigt)
Date: 1995/07/06
Message-Id: <3thicd$fgs@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
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Reply-To: voigt@rrz.uni-Hamburg.de
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.theory
100632.3457@compuserve.com (Frank Bauer) wrote:
>by the way - what is your opinion to the 'Reich-Subject'. How
come
>that you know this 'mainelink' web-site ???
I've been interested in Reich and his works for years.
My opinion? Problem is: on what of Reich? Reich did psychoanalyisis,
body psychotherapy, politics, biology, physics, theology. Even claimed
to have invented a wholly new science, Orgonomy, in the end.
I have no problem with what he said about psychoanalysis & body
psychotherapy. Concerning the rest: opposed or uncertain, partly
because I feel I don't know enough about the respective fields to
jugde what Reich said.
Glad to have found the Mainelink website for information on current
Reich topics anyway (found this with webcrawler.com, I guess)
Cheers,
Andreas
Date: 1995/07/06
Subject: WILHELM REICH ???
From: 100632.3457@compuserve.com
(Frank Bauer)
Date: 1995/07/06
Message-Id: <3tfk1h$d73@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Hi Folks ...
... due to the fact that there are no entries in the FAQ which relate
to *Wilhelm Reich* or Reich'ian subjects I would like to
launch a
thread about this famous/notorious psychologist, his life, theories
and discoveries. Anyone who's interested to join in - just do it ! :-)
One question in advance:
Has there been a similar thread in this newsgroup before ?
greetings
>>> Frank <<<
>>>>>> Frank Bauer <<<<<<
100632.3457@compuserve.com
>I still dream of Orgonon<
Date: 1995/07/06
Subject: Re: Wilhelm Reich ?
From: 100632.3457@compuserve.com
(Frank Bauer)
Date: 1995/07/06
Message-Id: <3tfk1m$d73@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology.theory
>>... anyone interested in discussions about _Wilhelm
Reich_, his life,
>>work and philosophy or related subjects ? Are there other newsgroups
>>where this request would be better posted ?
> Yes. sci.skeptic
... seems like a quite 'skeptic' proposal to me :-)
Do you think Reich'ian subjects are not worth being discussed in
'mainstream' psychology newsgroups ?
>>> Frank <<<
>>>>>> Frank Bauer <<<<<<
100632.3457@compuserve.com
>I still dream of Orgonon<
Subject: Re: Wilhelm Reich ?
From: 100632.3457@compuserve.com (Frank Bauer)
Date: 1995/07/11
Message-Id: <3tt9u0$dk6@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com>
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voigt@rrz.uni-hamburg.de (Andreas Voigt) wrote:
>I've been interested in Reich and his works for years.
... great ! - so have I ... :)
>My opinion? Problem is: on what of Reich? Reich did psychoanalyisis,
>body psychotherapy, politics, biology, physics, theology. Even claimed
>to have invented a wholly new science, Orgonomy, in the end.
>I have no problem with what he said about psychoanalysis & body
>psychotherapy. Concerning the rest: opposed or uncertain, partly
>because I feel I don't know enough about the respective fields to
>jugde what Reich said.
... this matches my point of view almost exactly ! I'm much more
interested in those early Reichian subjects which had it's roots in
psychology an politics rather than in those who dealt with physics and
biology. Being unable to perform the appropriate experiments and not
having the necessary theoretical background, I simply can't justify
whether Reich's 'orgonomic research' is real scientific or more or
less 'esoteric' stuff. By all means it's no surprise to me, that
people nowadays tend to use 'Orgonomy' as a (sort of) religious
substitute and very often are obviously willing to ignore the
'uncomfortable' implications on their lives and thinking, that those
'early Reichian' subjects (function of the orgasm, mass-psychology,
family as a breeding-place of fascist characters, conservativism being
real insanity rather than conscious political conviction, suppression
of sexuality considered as an 'endemic' disease of mankind rather than
useful source of cultural development, as Freud prefered to see it ...
etc. etc.).
But anyway - I think it's a damn shame, that there never has been any
professional researchwork done to proof or disproof Reich's
'discoveries' ... - but even if there is no such thing as 'Orgon
energy', I'm still convinced that Reich was one of the most
missunderstood and, above that, misstreated visionary minds of our
century !
By the way: Have you heard about this fellow named 'Roland Plocher'
who lives near lake constance and uses a certain (still unknown ...)
'technic' to clean contaminated lakes and rivers as well as improving
harvest profits by simply putting a handful of strange 'tubes' into
the water and 'manuring' the plants with a special kind of 'quarz
sand' resp. ? In a TV-Special I saw a few weeks ago, it was quite
obvious, that Plocher uses typical Reichian 'Orgon Accumulators' to
'charge' his tubes and sandboxes ... !!! He never mentioned the name
'Wilhelm Reich', but he told the interviewer something about 'cosmic
energy' and such things .........................
Regards
>>> Frank <<<
>>>>>> Frank Bauer <<<<<<
100632.3457@compuserve.com
> to boldly think, what no <
> man has thought before ...<
Date: 95-07-12
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Reply]
Subject: Re: Wilhelm Reich ?
From: Wolfgang Ullwer <ISF031@DJUKFA11.BITNET>
Date: 1995/07/12
Message-Id: <95193.144404ISF031@DJUKFA11.BITNET>
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Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.theory
Hi there,
having been lurking since the beginning of your discussion,
I just want to add two remarks.
+ Indeed, the quoted lines "I still dream..." are taken from
the song "Cloudbusting" on "Hounds of Love" by Kate Bush.
Assuming you're interested in further information, I will
add a few comments on this song from the Love-Hounds-FAQ,
managed by Uli Grepel:
"Cloudbusting:
This is based on Peter Reich's book "A Book Of Dreams" (you can see
this book in the video, in Donald Sutherland's pocket). Peter writes
about his experience in his youth, when Wilhelm Reich (his father)
got problems with the government due to his questionable actions as a
scientist. Wilhelm got arrested and died while in prison, and this
experience later made the then-9-years-old Peter write "A Book Of
Dreams". He was arrested for refusing to appear at an arrangement
hearing that resulted from a lawsuit by the American FDA for selling
his "orgone energy accumulators" across state lines. The FDA said it
was quackery to sell these boxes made of aluminium and wood as
therapeutic devices; Reich insisted it was serious science and
refused to have anything to do with these "spurious" legal
restrictions on his research and therapy. Of course, he was quite
mad by then - this was nearly a decate after he claimed that orgone
energy was not simply the libidinal buildup that resulted from a
lack of proper sexual release, but was also the substance out of
which the whole universe was formed. Interestingly, several
well-known people, including Norman Mailer, had orgone accumulators.
More about Wilhelm Reich can be found in the
file ftp.uu.net:/usenet/rec.music.gaffa/kb/reich.
[part of this description was written by James Alexander Chokey
<jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU>.]"
+ The German publishing house "Zweitausendeins" had two (or even three)
publications on W. Reich and related fields in its spring catalogue.
I don't recall the titles, but I'm sure you'll find it in the "Merkheft"
by 2001. One of the books is a comic about Reich and the FDA.
In case you're interested, you might want to ask people on
rec.music.gaffa or in the Love-Hounds-mailing-list. Hope this helps.
Thanx for your attention,
this was Wolfgang speaking.
--
"I leave you these words behind Wolfgang T. Ullwer
and I don't know if you'll get it" Research Centre Juelich
BoBo in white wooden houses isf031@DJUKFA11/w.ullwer@kfa-uelich.de
Date: 1995/07/12
Subject: Re: Wilhelm Reich ?
From: voigt@rrz.uni-hamburg.de (Andreas Voigt)
Date: 1995/07/12
Message-Id: <3u0u78$qt2@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
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100632.3457@compuserve.com (Frank Bauer) wrote: >But anyway - I think it's a damn shame, that there never has been any >professional researchwork done to proof or disproof Reich's >'discoveries' ... there *has* been researchwork even done profissionally (university). Check out the Gebauer/Mueschenich 1987: "Der Reichsche Orgonakkumulator", ISBN 3-923301-19-7 (in German, with a list of more research on Reich). I'm shure there's more, but this is all I know about. >By the way: Have you heard about this fellow named 'Roland Plocher' yes I've heard about this fellow but I have not been able to find any serious material on him. Just a bunch of popular stuff. Impossible to judge this guy on that basis. bye, Andreas voigt@rrz.uni-hamburg.de
Date: 1995/07/14
Subject: Wilhelm Reich
From: jogg@mainelink.net
Date: 1995/07/14
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I have to come in here and share what I know on this subject.
-
> :
>Do we know how and why human body can generate chi? Chi is part of
what the universe is made of, the four states of
matter and the incalculable fifth state; Earth, Air, Fire, Water and Spirit
or Chi. The human body does not create Chi but the mind and spirit of a
person can collect it and focus it. Chi, mana,the spirit stuff interpenitrates
everything else, It is in the air so a person can learn to collect it thru
breathing exercises; It is in the earth so that places can be sacred and
give power and insight to those who are aware of it and so dowsers can
detect ley lines by it. It is in the water and
people use the water to bless and purify. It is in the fire so people burn
incense and make sacred fires. The Chi in Tai Chi is the same as the energy
that Chinese healers chart in meridians
for acupuncture and that Martial Arts practitioners focus to give power
to the techniques
that they strive to perfect. As Chi is of the spirit, Science has either
come up with imperfect theorys
(philogiston,orgone) or denied it altogether. While objects that
are imbued with this energy are often considered sacred, the mundane
use of chi does not require any particularly religious bent to use. I personally
use Chi for healing others and relieving pain from injuries, I am learning
to use it for
martial purposes (as I belive that I need to work for balance in all things)
but, I have far more experience using it as a sort of first aid sort of
like Reiki energy work. The Thibetan
Buddhists teach some really good disciplines that can enable a person to
"open their third
eye" and percieve this energy, I personally came to the abilities
I have thru spiritual work that would be out of context here, but any one
can learn it though it isn't easy. (I have no interest in
prosletization or one upmanship in this, I do it to help people.) Much
of what westerners call magic is accomplished thru manipulation of Chi,
as well as those events that are called miracles that people base religions
on. A key insight for me when I was first learning to work with it was
that "It wasn't mine" that the energies invoked could do amazing
things but it was the Mana not Me. Therefore I can't take credit for what
It accomplishes, which is humbling because the more you tap into the energies
the more you realize the vastness of the source; It could be compared to
a view of the universe.
Ever notice how great Martial Artists are often humble people? One of the
reasons for this is the enlightening nature of Chi in it's evoulution in
humankind, It is seen everywhere on the planet and
sometimes people are touched by it, to be known as holy or insane according
to the mores of the societies they inhabit. Chi could be the most important
thing taught in Martial Arts just for it's impact on individual human beings.
Happily many different systems all teach good ways to focus and use this
energy once the individuals in question get past the prevailing
attitudes held by conventional society. Places where a seeker could look
to become adept include the afore mentioned Thibetan
Buddhists, the books of Wilhelm Reich, Chinese Qui Gong (and acupuncture),
western Hermetic Ceremonial Magick, various Shamanic transformative practices,
Aikido or any of the Martial Arts that teach it(I study Kendo), and many
others. The only two things to keep in mind are that anyone who purports
to be able to teach should reflect the humility that the energy
imparts, and that if the
teacher doesn't , a person is able to find something similarly good elsewhere
closeby; discount any who claim to have "the only True Way",
Dogma is Ego.
Bella
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/* written 9pm 7/5/95 by David Yarrow */
International Earth Emergency Network
MAGNETIC GRID DISRUPTION
Mission Statement and Urgent Request
From literature published by many teams around the globe it's
very clear ecological and health catastrophes relate directly to
disturbances in Earth's Magnetic Grid. Symptoms of growing Grid
instability include:
weather grows extreme ozone thins & vanishes
climate stability deteriorates agricultural soils lifeless
plants wither; forests die animals weak & diseased
ocean currents change course fish & animal migrations alter
amphibians & reptiles vanish emotional health declines
social order in upheavals politics become extremist
tectonic stability is shaken earthquakes more frequent
apparent time accelerates planetary axis wobbles
Many causes are offered to explain this diversity of effects, yet
one remains unexamined and underestimated: shifting geomagnetic flux.
We believe all these symptoms are dramatic results of disturbances to
Gaia's Magnetic Grid.
Confounding perturbances of planetary flux is our near complete
ignorance of Earth's exquisite magnetic grids -- and how they affect
tectonics, atmosphere, biology, and humans. We just barely realize
how recursive, fractal symmetry in Earth's longwave magnetism is a
prime factor to condense clouds, induce stress in buildings, and shift
tectonic pressures. Yet, magnetism is a unifying field that
interlinks all events, forms and life on Earth -- and how Gaia remembers
us all.
Compounding this further, man-made electromagnetism interferes
with Earth's natural Grid. Electric power grids, communication
networks and ELF-to-microwave technologies dump information pollution
in the Grid to distort signals.
Realizing global ecosystems can't remain stable much longer, we
initiate local and international action on these issues. Geomagnetic
alignment must move from ancient mystery to practical, basic science
of eco-maintenance such as earthquake and storm amelioration. We
invite contributors in this to form an action network with the
following goals:
1. Disseminate information through global media and internet
about the Earth grid and grid engineering, feng shui in its
scientific, cultural and practical aspects.
2. Promote activities to heal destructive magnetic tangles on
global and local scales.
3. Foster communication and research cooperation among
scientists and others working intently in the field.
4. Develop coherent, easily communicated models to relate long
wave grid alignments to:
a) plant, animal and human health; b) precipitation and
microclimate; c) human emotions and feelings; and, d) Earth's
magnetic-gravitic-metabolic relations with the Solar System -- and
beyond.
5. Co-create and publish in global media specific instruction on
community-scale geomantic magnetic landscape attunements, including
examples of experiments already undertaken and effects on bioregions.
6. Form specific committees to advise governments and
corporations of immediate need to:
a) use paramagnetic stone dusts instead of chemical fertilizers
to enhance plant growth
b) stop using Earth as a path for billions of amps in stray
ground currents to power generation plants. This destroys millenia of
effort by the biosphere to achieve recursiveness needed by Earth's
magnetic bloodflow.
c) investigate and document interactions between long wave
magnetic paths and man-made interference, especially where health is
affected in human dwellings and wildlife.
d) propagate practical understanding of relationships of stable
gravity to recursive, nested magnetism. Needed to responsibly tap
emerging energy technologies called non-linear, scalar, zero point, or
"free energy."
7. Establish schools and curricula in which Magnetic Grid
Engineering is taught in a language with rigor, yet feeling and
compassion. Paramagnetic stone, circles, labyrinths, dowsing, sacred
geometry, and spherical trigonometry are skills needed to properly
site stone lenses to focus the vast bloodlines which store Earth's
planetary memory.
This Mission Statement is preliminary.
Your insight is needed. Your input is invited.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This Earth Emergency Network is formally convened by:
Daniel Winter, Ph.D. & friends
Crystal Hill MultiMedia
137 Biodome Drive, Waynesville, NC 28786 USA
704-926-2200
email: danwinter@aol.com
Author of "Alphabet of the Heart." Produces educational
videos,
many on paramagnetism, longwaves and biology. Dan lectures with
biofeedback telemetry to measure attunement of trees to Earth's
Schumann resonant magnetic heartbeat when human hearts send coherent
electric emotion to provide a "spin path to the zero point".
Dr. B. K. Wee
World Research Information Center
22 White House Park, Singapore 1025 Singapore
voice: 65-323-2032; fax: 65-235-9862
International wholistic health research. Maintains global
network of vibrational medicine, wholistic physicians and alternative
healers concerned with global issues.
FOUNDING MEMBERS
We invite other resource friends in this field to join this team.
We will begin a global circular letter to evolve a coherent
information package. If interested, please reply with up to a page
outlining your key insights, contributions and services in this field.
Vincent Bridges & Darlene
505 N. Main St., P.O. Box 877
Mt. Gilead, NC 27306 USA
910-439-4898
Geomancer, Grid Engineer, Co-designed Zodiac Parmagnetic Temple
near Winston Salem, NC. Co-authored proposal for Geomancy College
&
Global Grid Modeling Computer Consortium. Co-produced Grid
Engineering video showing effects of paramagnetic temple on Winston-
Salem environment. Vincent is a skilled map dowser, knows scientific
use of ritual. Archeology credentials, Mac computer.
David Yarrow
Turtle EyeLand
c/o Broeckx, P.O.Box 6034
Albany, NY 12206 USA
518-426-0563
email:dyarrow@apc.igc.org
Author of "Dragon and Ice Castle: Sacred Space in the Finger
Lakes"
and articles on magnetism, geomancy, dowsing, grid engineering,
remineralization, natural healing. Knows indigenous traditions of
paramagnetic sacred sites. Skilled author, editor, computer graphics,
and page layout.
Marty Cain
55 Park St.
Newport, NH 03773-1412 USA
603-863-7343
Teacher, Artist, Dowser, Designer of paramagnetic structures for
sacred space. Exquisite labyrinth skills. Works with colleges and
parks creating Sacred Space. Much experience in Britain. Perceptive
of nature spirits and elementals. Sites stone labyrinths over
underground water based on symmetry of water flows; paramagnetic
bubble over such structures serves well-being of persons traversing
and nearby life.
Bruce Cathie
Quark Enterprises LTD
158 Shaw Rd
Oratia, Auckland, New Zealand
64-9-818-4291
Computer Software Developer, Author of Harmonic 33 and many other
works on Earth's magnetic grid harmonics. Familiar with Earth
paramagnetic nodes & UFO paths.
Peter Champoux
Arkhom
Yokum Pond Road
Becket, MA 01223 USA
413-623-8319
Recognized and publicized Arkhom: a huge Paramagnetic Temple in
New England (geometric analysis by Bill Buehler), one of first
recognitions of a geomantic temple affecting a large, interstate
bioregion.
Bob Gulick
P.O. Box 3353
Telluride, CO 81435 USA
303-728-0718
Architect, Temple Design and Grid Engineer. Founded First
International Gaia Conference. Taught Sacred Geometry and Sacred
Architecture at New Jersey Institute of Technology, with Dan Winter
Gary Skillen
Ecological Solutions Canada
11 Carr St. W, P O. Box 580
Maxville, ONT, Canada K0C 1T0
613-527-3060
Professional Grid Engineer, Paramagnetic Agri-consultant. Uses
paramagnetic stone to replace fertilizer. Dowses geopathic zones,
locates water domes and stone circles. Produced 2-hour video Tuning
Your Land to present stone circle techniques; we filmed actual effects
on clouds.
William Buehler
Church of Antioch
Islington Road Box 1B
Cedarville, MI 49719 USA
906-484-3931
Coordinator of a major group analyzing spiritual and evolutionary
significance of magnetic landscape structures. Very in depth
geometric maps. Publishes circular newsletter describing esoteric
significance.
Henry MacLean
Timeless Architecture
91 Bynner St. Suite 9
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 USA
617-524-5216
Architect, teacher. Timeless Architecture held symposia on Sacred
Geometry in Architecture and Geometry of Gothic Cathedrals. Designed
& built Sacred Space with Sirius Community and others.
James DiMeo
Orgone Biophysical Lab
PO Box 1395
El Cerrito, CA 94530 USA
Leader of Reichean Orgone research and
weather control facility.
Wrote article Desertification and Patriarchy for WildFire magazine
relating how patriachical cultural practices cause deserts.
Susan Hirshberger
149 Piper Rd.
Newfield, NY 14867 USA
607-564-7456
Responsive planetary shamanic journeys. Sees shamanically
Earth's pain and evolving vision. Works with with Marty and Dan, and
with indigenous tribal wisdoms. Appears in Grid Engineering.
Saskia Bosman
Earthgate Project
P.O.Box 61534, 2506 AM Den
Haag, The Netherlands
31-10-474 3853
Placed carefully geometrically arranged paramagnetic crystal
structures over critical Earth Grid power points on at least three
continents. Has considerable project documentation and international
support.
Bill Ramsey
251 Asa Hall Rd.
Iva, SC 29655 USA
803-296-3200
Network of inventors developing alternate energy sources. Many
devices to assess Earth's magnetic ELF, which can change how we think
about energy sources.
Greg Hodowanec
34 Cleveland Av.
Newark, NJ 07106 USA
210-373-4170
Developed simple capacitive device to monitor tiny changes in
gravity. Documented response to planetary motion; faster, more
sensitive way to monitor planetary motions. Dramatic implications for
how magnetic symmetries modulate and ultimtely stabilize Earth's
gravity field. Works closely with Bill Ramsey.
Simeon Nartoomid & Maia Shamayim
Box 235, 29 Sunset Overlook
Crestone, CO 81131 USA
719-256-4057
Work with William Buehler. Bring an extensive angelic network on
global grid engineering.
Colette Dowell
1128 Montreat Road
Black Mountain, NC 28711 USA
704-669-4293
Geometric analysis of Crop Circles and Musical Harmonic Ratios.
Has witnesses to receiving a geometric answer in a new crop circle a
day after she posed a question.
Sig Lonegren
Top of Breezy Av., Box 218
Greensboro, VT 05841 USA
802-5533-2240
Grid Engineer, dowser, geomancy school, international use of
computer grid engineering. Teaches dowser-geomants to align
paramagnetic structures to solar, lunar and stellar points.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~
-- for a green and peaceful planet, David Yarrow
snail mail: c/o Broeckx, PO Box 6034, Albany, NY 12206
email: dyarrow@igc.apc.org
Eve, the earthworm sez: "If yer not forest, yer against us."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date:1995/07/20
Subject: Re: Wilhelm Reich ?
From: 100632.3457@compuserve.com (Frank Bauer)
Date: 1995/07/20
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Hi Wolfgang ...
>having been lurking since the beginning of your discussion,
... how come ? Are you interested in Reichian subjects too ?
>I just want to add two remarks.
>+ Indeed, the quoted lines "I still dream..." are taken from
> the song "Cloudbusting" on "Hounds of Love" by Kate Bush.
> Assuming you're interested in further information, I will
> add a few comments on this song from the Love-Hounds-FAQ,
> managed by Uli Grepel:
> "Cloudbusting:
> This is based on Peter Reich's book "A Book Of Dreams" (you can see
> this book in the video, in Donald Sutherland's pocket). Peter writes
> about his experience in his youth, when Wilhelm Reich (his father)
[...]
thanx for this ! Might be interesting for all those 'lurkers' who
trace this thread but haven't got the nerve to write themselves ... :)
> More about Wilhelm Reich can be found in the
> file ftp.uu.net:/usenet/rec.music.gaffa/kb/reich.
Forget about the point '.' after 'Reich' or the download won't work.
This is quite biased material (... to say the least) - to anyone who
want's to look at this 'famous scientist' Martin Garder from a
slightly different point of view I recommend reading the book: 'The
New Inquisition' from Robert A. Wilson (In Germany: 'Die neue
Inquisition', also published by 2001 ...). To listen to Gardner in the
'Reich case' is like listening to the Pope when condoms are concerned
.. :)
>+ The German publishing house "Zweitausendeins" had two (or even three)
> publications on W. Reich and related fields in its spring catalogue.
> I don't recall the titles, but I'm sure you'll find it in the "Merkheft"
> by 2001. One of the books is a comic about Reich and the FDA.
... got them already - but thanx anyway !
Cheers
>>> Frank <<<
>>>>>> Frank Bauer <<<<<<
100632.3457@compuserve.com
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